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	<description>You will KNEEL before Zod!</description>
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		<title>By: Anuncio de Ubuntu &#124; Gloobtech</title>
		<link>http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177&#038;cpage=2#comment-133807</link>
		<dc:creator>Anuncio de Ubuntu &#124; Gloobtech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vía: Wild Bill  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Octavian Ghergheli</title>
		<link>http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177&#038;cpage=2#comment-130359</link>
		<dc:creator>Octavian Ghergheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I really love this Billboard! It&#039; s really great! Thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I really love this Billboard! It&#8217; s really great! Thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177&#038;cpage=2#comment-129025</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog was going to be cool just until the point where you try to force people to use Firefox.  

People like you are useless on the net, no better than any other &#039;control the futar of teh intarweb&#039; companies if you try to force a decision on other users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog was going to be cool just until the point where you try to force people to use Firefox.  </p>
<p>People like you are useless on the net, no better than any other &#8216;control the futar of teh intarweb&#8217; companies if you try to force a decision on other users.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David has a point. I didn&#039;t totally block IE users from accessing my site, but I did put an annoying red bar at the top of the screen that urged my users to switch to Firefox or Opera. I have removed it, but I think I might be reinserting it into the code.

To respond to David: Having characters that don&#039;t match the encoding specified are not that big of errors. I think when people refer to IE as not being compliant, they are speaking about how IE handles HTML elements. (For instance, I can&#039;t stand the spacing problems that result from using forms and tables in IE). I have given up on making my site compliant for IE and just let the IE users change browsers or leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David has a point. I didn&#8217;t totally block IE users from accessing my site, but I did put an annoying red bar at the top of the screen that urged my users to switch to Firefox or Opera. I have removed it, but I think I might be reinserting it into the code.</p>
<p>To respond to David: Having characters that don&#8217;t match the encoding specified are not that big of errors. I think when people refer to IE as not being compliant, they are speaking about how IE handles HTML elements. (For instance, I can&#8217;t stand the spacing problems that result from using forms and tables in IE). I have given up on making my site compliant for IE and just let the IE users change browsers or leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideal Programmer\&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ubuntu Billboard in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177&#038;cpage=2#comment-126613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideal Programmer\&#8217;s blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ubuntu Billboard in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a catch 22 situation because on one hand, we want people to be able to see our site, so we do all the extra work to make it work in IE as well.&quot;

Really? I think the onload function for Bill&#039;s site is broken then. 

Also, your site fails the w3c compliance test. You have characters on your page that don&#039;t match the encoding you&#039;ve specified. To be fair, I thought it might just be a comment on this page but I tried another page in the archive and it fails too. It&#039;s not a big error, but it still puts you in the camp of people with invalid sites.

It&#039;s too bad about the blocker. I think you&#039;d have much better success with winning people over to firefox if they could see your site and read the things you have to say. I&#039;m afraid that a lot of people will take you up on your offer to just not read your site if they don&#039;t like it, in which case you have lost all influence you might have had. Preaching to the choir is not a productive way to expand the user base for whatever piece of software you would like to see have wider adoption. Most people, when told to piss off, do so, and leave with a bitter taste that they will associate with the software you are promoting, since they will associate that software with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a catch 22 situation because on one hand, we want people to be able to see our site, so we do all the extra work to make it work in IE as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? I think the onload function for Bill&#8217;s site is broken then. </p>
<p>Also, your site fails the w3c compliance test. You have characters on your page that don&#8217;t match the encoding you&#8217;ve specified. To be fair, I thought it might just be a comment on this page but I tried another page in the archive and it fails too. It&#8217;s not a big error, but it still puts you in the camp of people with invalid sites.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad about the blocker. I think you&#8217;d have much better success with winning people over to firefox if they could see your site and read the things you have to say. I&#8217;m afraid that a lot of people will take you up on your offer to just not read your site if they don&#8217;t like it, in which case you have lost all influence you might have had. Preaching to the choir is not a productive way to expand the user base for whatever piece of software you would like to see have wider adoption. Most people, when told to piss off, do so, and leave with a bitter taste that they will associate with the software you are promoting, since they will associate that software with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megaqwerty &amp; Bill -

Thanks for the responses.  It may interest you to know that yep, I&#039;m a web developer by trade and I&#039;m quite conversant with the problems of cross-browser complications.  My company&#039;s site has traffic from folks using several different versions of IE, FF, Opera and several others as well.

Here&#039;s my point: If you&#039;ve done your level best to make your site truly compliant in the most browsers, then kudos.  Believe it or not, we actually tell people using severely back-level browsers (a complaining customer using IE4 is the example that springs to mind) to update to a more modern browser.

MS has recently announced that IE8 (not released yet) has passed the ACID2 test:

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx

That being said, here&#039;s my hypothetical to you:  will you continue to block *all* versions of IE?  Even if I&#039;m using IE8 (after it&#039;s released)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megaqwerty &amp; Bill -</p>
<p>Thanks for the responses.  It may interest you to know that yep, I&#8217;m a web developer by trade and I&#8217;m quite conversant with the problems of cross-browser complications.  My company&#8217;s site has traffic from folks using several different versions of IE, FF, Opera and several others as well.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my point: If you&#8217;ve done your level best to make your site truly compliant in the most browsers, then kudos.  Believe it or not, we actually tell people using severely back-level browsers (a complaining customer using IE4 is the example that springs to mind) to update to a more modern browser.</p>
<p>MS has recently announced that IE8 (not released yet) has passed the ACID2 test:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archi.....stone.aspx</a></p>
<p>That being said, here&#8217;s my hypothetical to you:  will you continue to block *all* versions of IE?  Even if I&#8217;m using IE8 (after it&#8217;s released)?</p>
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		<title>By: WildBill&#8217;s Blogdom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yay for comments. But honesty ftw.</title>
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		<dc:creator>WildBill&#8217;s Blogdom &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yay for comments. But honesty ftw.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, the digg-gasm continues, and I keep getting more and more retarded comments on that Ubuntu billboard blog post from 2006.  Apparently there are a bunch of whiners bitching that I block IE on this site.  Whatever.  Deal with it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Well, the digg-gasm continues, and I keep getting more and more retarded comments on that Ubuntu billboard blog post from 2006.  Apparently there are a bunch of whiners bitching that I block IE on this site.  Whatever.  Deal with it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Web 2.0 Version of Firefox vs. Internet Explorer</title>
		<link>http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/?p=177&#038;cpage=1#comment-124009</link>
		<dc:creator>The Web 2.0 Version of Firefox vs. Internet Explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] WildBill published a post in 2006 with a picture of a roadside billboard advertising Ubuntu, which happened to land on the Digg front page a couple days ago. Even though I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with the statement, &#8220;It’s just great to see the World’sGreatestOS(TM) publicized&#8221; (Debian pwns j00), seeing Linux out in the open like that was pretty refreshing; at least until I started reading visitor&#8217;s comments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WildBill published a post in 2006 with a picture of a roadside billboard advertising Ubuntu, which happened to land on the Digg front page a couple days ago. Even though I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with the statement, &#8220;It’s just great to see the World’sGreatestOS(TM) publicized&#8221; (Debian pwns j00), seeing Linux out in the open like that was pretty refreshing; at least until I started reading visitor&#8217;s comments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nullamatix</title>
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		<dc:creator>nullamatix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m glad to see Linux becoming more popular, I wouldn&#039;t go so far to say Ubuntu is the worlds best OS. Debian (which is the core foundation for Ubuntu) will always rule :)

Regarding the IE script, cheers to you my friend. Megaqwerty hit the nail right on the head. As a developer, I can&#039;t tell you how many hours of my life have been wasted &quot;fixing&quot; COMPLIANT code just so the site would render properly in IE. 

Until Microsoft decides to conform to international standards instead of their own, IE users can goto hell. I can&#039;t help but ask myself, &quot;who&#039;s the real snob here?&quot; when it&#039;s MS that thinks they&#039;re to good to WORK WITH the world instead of against the world.. 

I surf the net as GoogleBot anyway.. :P

RE: to comment number 43 by &quot;fuckfirefox.&quot; You clearly didn&#039;t read the article you linked to. That article is IN FAVOR of Firefox you dolt. Way to go. Such typical IE user behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m glad to see Linux becoming more popular, I wouldn&#8217;t go so far to say Ubuntu is the worlds best OS. Debian (which is the core foundation for Ubuntu) will always rule <img src='http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regarding the IE script, cheers to you my friend. Megaqwerty hit the nail right on the head. As a developer, I can&#8217;t tell you how many hours of my life have been wasted &#8220;fixing&#8221; COMPLIANT code just so the site would render properly in IE. </p>
<p>Until Microsoft decides to conform to international standards instead of their own, IE users can goto hell. I can&#8217;t help but ask myself, &#8220;who&#8217;s the real snob here?&#8221; when it&#8217;s MS that thinks they&#8217;re to good to WORK WITH the world instead of against the world.. </p>
<p>I surf the net as GoogleBot anyway.. <img src='http://wildbill.nulldevice.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>RE: to comment number 43 by &#8220;fuckfirefox.&#8221; You clearly didn&#8217;t read the article you linked to. That article is IN FAVOR of Firefox you dolt. Way to go. Such typical IE user behavior.</p>
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